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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2013, 06:18:53 pm »
Just been looking at those divisional alignments...

FL West looks like a straight battle between Colorado and Oregon for years with 3 expansion teams moving in there.

PL South also looks relatively "easy", one expansion team (Georgia), Kentucky and the California guys moving to Maryland.

Whereas the PL North and FL West will be known as the home of the original franchises - well Pennsy (yes two n's) and New Mexico will have moved but you get what I mean.

The "protected lists" and size of these lists are going to be crucial during expansion - I can see some really tough decisions having to be made.

That is a concern for me as a Commish in terms of fairness with the new expansion teams (fine with the just Colorado GM haha).

I'm thinking about going with Interleague Play for a few seasons after 2017 to attempt to balance out the competition with the original 16 against the expansion teams. Any thoughts?

I had this idea regarding schedules and keeping the 162 game season:

30 Inter League games (1 x 3 game series against each of the 10 teams)
72 Intra Division games (6 x 3 game series against each of the 4 other teams)
60 Intra League games (4 x 3 game series against each of the 5 other teams)

This would be a great way to ensure that Intra Divsion games mean "more", but also ensures that 80% of games are played in your own division. This approach would likely help balance out what you called "fairness" as when the divisions are combined in a sub-league the talent is pretty close.

I also had one other idea - when expanding we should allow Luis Bravo (got put in jail) and Antonio Espinosa (CEI) back into the league - i.e unretire them and allow the expansion teams to battle it out for these guys too.
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2013, 06:24:36 pm »
I think our options in terms of realignment and playoff teams are...

1.) Two subleagues of 10-teams (no divisions) -> League champs (1st round byes) plus two Wildcards -> 3 playoff teams per subleague

2.) Two subleagues of 10-teams (no divisions) -> League champs plus three Wildcards (either League Champ plays lowest WC OR a best-of-3 series between the last two WCs as a play-in [is this possible?]) -> 4 playoff teams per subleague

3.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs plus two Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) -> 4 playoff teams per subleague

4.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs (1st round byes) plus four Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) -> 6 playoff teams per subleague

5.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs (1st round byes) plus three Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) (bottom 2 WCs play best of 3 series to play top WC) -> 5 playoff teams per subleague (not sure if this is possible)

Thoughts or other suggestions?
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2013, 06:34:47 pm »
I'm for option 3.
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2013, 06:44:52 pm »
I'm for option 3.

I believe my preference is Option 3 followed by Option 1.


I had this idea regarding schedules and keeping the 162 game season:

30 Inter League games (1 x 3 game series against each of the 10 teams)
72 Intra Division games (6 x 3 game series against each of the 4 other teams)
60 Intra League games (4 x 3 game series against each of the 5 other teams)

This would be a great way to ensure that Intra Divsion games mean "more", but also ensures that 80% of games are played in your own division. This approach would likely help balance out what you called "fairness" as when the divisions are combined in a sub-league the talent is pretty close.

I also had one other idea - when expanding we should allow Luis Bravo (got put in jail) and Antonio Espinosa (CEI) back into the league - i.e unretire them and allow the expansion teams to battle it out for these guys too.

I like this setup
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2013, 08:44:47 pm »
I think our options in terms of realignment and playoff teams are...

1.) Two subleagues of 10-teams (no divisions) -> League champs (1st round byes) plus two Wildcards -> 3 playoff teams per subleague

2.) Two subleagues of 10-teams (no divisions) -> League champs plus three Wildcards (either League Champ plays lowest WC OR a best-of-3 series between the last two WCs as a play-in [is this possible?]) -> 4 playoff teams per subleague

3.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs plus two Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) -> 4 playoff teams per subleague

4.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs (1st round byes) plus four Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) -> 6 playoff teams per subleague

5.) Two subleagues of two 5-team divisions -> Division champs (1st round byes) plus three Wildcards (Win% of rest of subleague) (bottom 2 WCs play best of 3 series to play top WC) -> 5 playoff teams per subleague (not sure if this is possible)

Thoughts or other suggestions?

Option 3 is best for me.
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2013, 09:03:22 pm »
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2013, 12:01:12 am »
I'm thinking about going with Interleague Play for a few seasons after 2017 to attempt to balance out the competition with the original 16 against the expansion teams. Any thoughts?
If you keep a balanced schedule within sub leagues, it shouldn't matter much.  You just might see less parity in the Frontier League for a bit.

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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2013, 05:24:55 am »
Just been looking at those divisional alignments...

FL West looks like a straight battle between Colorado and Oregon for years with 3 expansion teams moving in there.

PL South also looks relatively "easy", one expansion team (Georgia), Kentucky and the California guys moving to Maryland.

Whereas the PL North and FL West will be known as the home of the original franchises - well Pennsy (yes two n's) and New Mexico will have moved but you get what I mean.

The "protected lists" and size of these lists are going to be crucial during expansion - I can see some really tough decisions having to be made.

That is a concern for me as a Commish in terms of fairness with the new expansion teams (fine with the just Colorado GM haha).

I'm thinking about going with Interleague Play for a few seasons after 2017 to attempt to balance out the competition with the original 16 against the expansion teams. Any thoughts?
The FL has been a league with 3 domminent teams every year and this yer only 3 teams above .500 but also WELLL above this year, so with the PL more even and competative Interleague play with expandstion will help alot
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2013, 04:21:03 pm »
I've been doing a ton of testing with a test version of our league to see how a few OOTP features handled two ideas I have for our league...

1st Thought

AFBL Playoffs -> I've tested a season with our proposed 2 leagues of 2 divisions with 5 teams... Two Division Champs plus #1 WC earn 1st round byes for the best-of-3 series between the #2 & #3 WCs. *5 playoff teams seeded by Win%; Highest Win% Division Champ is 1 seed*

Wildcard Play-In Series (1-1-1 format)
FL/PL #5  @  FL/PL #4 in Best-of-3 series

Wildcard Series (2-3-2 format)
Winner of FL/PL #4/5 @ FL/PL #1 (Division Champ with highest Win%)

FL/PL #3 (top Wildcard spot) @ FL/PL #2 (Division Champ with lower Win%)

LCS & FCS as usual

Anyone like this plan? If not we still need to decide on how to handle the playoffs with 20 teams.
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2013, 04:21:30 pm »
2nd Thought

The other idea that I've been doing the most testing with over the past week or so is the newer feature of College and High School feeder leagues which would be where our draft pool would come from instead of the random and current situation of the game generating a draft pool when specified (75 days before in our case).

Here is the excerpt from the OOTP Manual about Feeder leagues...

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A feeder league feeds players into its parent league. Feeder leagues have minimum and maximum age limits for players, and once players exceed their age maximum, the players go into the draft pool for their parent league. When a new season starts in a feeder league, the rosters are filled up again with players of the minimum age. As older players get drafted (or become free agents if undrafted), younger players get added automatically for the following season. Each feeder league can feed players into only one league, and you cannot have a 'daisy chain' of feeder leagues. That is, you can't have a high school league that feeds into a college league that feeds into a professional league.

There are two types of feeder leagues: college and high school. These two types behave identically. The names, like league levels, are mainly just for categorization.

Important: Feeder leagues are not meant to simulate real-world college and high school baseball. There is no early entry into the draft, recruiting, redshirting, or similar staples of college and high school baseball.

Feeder leagues add immersion, providing a draft pool full of players with several years of statistical history leading up to the draft, in addition to scouting reports. This gives general managers much more information on which to base draft decisions. This is particularly helpful in leagues that allow the trading of draft picks, because GMs can make intelligent decisions about how strong a particular draft class looks by scouting and researching the draft class in advance.

Feeder leagues behave very similarly to minor leagues. Players in feeder leagues have minor league contracts and share all the rules of the parent league.

Players in a feeder league will appear in the first-year player draft pool of the major league once they are no longer eligible for their feeder league. Your first-year player draft will also be supplemented with enough fictional players to fill out the draft, if necessary. High school players who are not drafted may continue on to college, or may become free agents. College players who are not drafted may become free agents.

In my test league I had the following settings for the High School Feeder League...
Rules
Age max 18
Age min 15
Players will mostly be 19 when they enter the draft.

Options
created age min 15
created age max 15

All new players enter as freshman and will play until they reach 18. By default new players can enter at any age that is allowable in your league so some guys get 4 years playing time some get 1. My preference is all get 4 years but it is realistic some guys just do not take up HS baseball until their junior or senior year.

Two leagues of 10-teams make up the 20-team AFBL High School League
50-game Balanced Schedule with no Interleague Play includes ASG

In my test league I had the following settings for the College Feeder League...
Rules
Age max 18
Age min 21
Players will mostly be 19 when they enter the draft.

Options
created age min 18
created age max 18

All new players enter as freshman and will play until they reach 21. Same as HS feeder league that there will be players that enter late and not have a full 4 years in the college feeder league

Two leagues of 10-teams make up the 20-team AFBL College League
100-game Balanced Schedule with no Interleague Play includes ASG

Both HS and College leagues have Default Player Origin of USA and CANADA with 10% random origin.

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I've tested into the 202x's and have found that the draft pools are a good mix of HS and College players with the expected amount of elite talent/potential-talent at the top of the draft pools.

I'm fairly certain that we'll enable this feature for this season in 2016 so we can begin to utilize this feeder to have more useful info come draft days.

Any thoughts or opinions?
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2013, 04:33:24 pm »
Not a fan of byes in the playoffs - we have this in another league I play and last playoffs every team who had the bye lost their first playoff series.

I'm not sure if the game penalised them by giving the players some "rust" for not playing for 7-10 days - but it was a big coincidence.
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2013, 04:46:31 pm »
Not a fan of byes in the playoffs - we have this in another league I play and last playoffs every team who had the bye lost their first playoff series.

I'm not sure if the game penalised them by giving the players some "rust" for not playing for 7-10 days - but it was a big coincidence.

In that above playoff setup it would be a 3 game series so it would be about 5 or 6 days off but I understand the concern. It's really just a thought. Maybe like the current MLB setup of a 1-game playin for the final 2 of 3 wildcards?

I'm totally fine with just 4 teams (Two Division Champs then 2 Wildcards based on Win%).
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Re: Expansion Discussion Thread
« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2013, 05:01:06 pm »
4 out of 10 or 8 out of 20 is a nice number - keeps it even and simple.
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« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2013, 05:09:50 pm »
Altho I am in favor of anything that complicates things for New Jersey :P  ;)

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« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2013, 05:23:58 pm »
Altho I am in favor of anything that complicates things for New Jersey :P  ;)

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