Expansion Discussion Thread

[LT]

also, in reality, any decent player picked is gonna get traded before the first season

+1

[mikezone13]

If we keep it simple, it will likely work best.. check this concept out...

1. All players drafted in 2015 and 2016 amateur drafts are auto protected, UNLESS they have ML service time (then they have to be included in the protected 20 players in point 2)
2. Each existing team can protect 20 other players
3. No existing team can lose more than ONE player per round AND every existing team loses one player per round (16 picks per round, 4 picks per expansion team per round)
4. This is optional... all players aged 20 and under on January 1st 2017 are auto-protected so long as they don't have any ML service time

What this means is that IF every existing team protected 20 guys on their current 25 man ML roster there would be 80 current ML level guys available for drafting, that's equal to 20 players per expansion team, plus all of the AAA and AA guys not drafted in 2015 and 2016.

What will likely happen is that some teams will also choose to protect some guys drafted in 2013 and 2014 so more ML level talent will be available.

This does three things:
1. Gives existing teams a choice to protect youth, current talent or a mix
2. Ensures there is enough ML level talent available for the expansion teams to use as trade bait or to build with
3. Ensures those 21-25 year old guys yet to make it in the big leagues are given a shot with an expansion team - it would be good to see some of these guys grow and become stars, and it will happen

I highly recommend keeping the protection simple so that everyone understands it.

Edit: I just ran this approach on my organisation and there would be handfuls of 1.5 to 2.5* players available, some veterans but also some guys who are nearly ready for the Majors. Some real diamonds for the right expansion team GMs - I expect others would protect less on their current 25man roster than me as well.

[mstreeter06]

I really like this concept, Mike!

[LT]

If we keep it simple, it will likely work best.. check this concept out...

1. All players drafted in 2015 and 2016 amateur drafts are auto protected, UNLESS they have ML service time (then they have to be included in the protected 20 players in point 2)
2. Each existing team can protect 20 other players
3. No existing team can lose more than player per round AND every existing team loses one player per round (16 picks per round, 4 picks per expansion team per round)
4. This is optional... all players aged 20 and under on January 1st 2017 are auto-protected so long as they don't have any ML service time

What this means is that IF every existing team protected 20 guys on their current 25 man ML roster there would be 80 current ML level guys available for drafting, that's equal to 20 players per expansion team, plus all of the AAA and AA guys not drafted in 2015 and 2016.

What will likely happen is that some teams will also choose to protect some guys drafted in 2013 and 2014 so more ML level talent will be available.

This does three things:
1. Gives existing teams a choice to protect youth, current talent or a mix
2. Ensures there is enough ML level talent available for the expansion teams to use as trade bait or to build with
3. Ensures those 21-25 year old guys yet to make it in the big leagues are given a shot with an expansion team - it would be good to see some of these guys grow and become stars, and it will happen

I highly recommend keeping the protection simple so that everyone understands it.

Edit: I just ran this approach on my organisation and there would be handfuls of 1.5 to 2.5* players available, some veterans but also some guys who are nearly ready for the Majors. Some real diamonds for the right expansion team GMs - I expect others would protect less on their current 25man roster than me as well.

excellent idea.

[BaseballAddict32]

If we keep it simple, it will likely work best.. check this concept out...

1. All players drafted in 2015 and 2016 amateur drafts are auto protected, UNLESS they have ML service time (then they have to be included in the protected 20 players in point 2)
2. Each existing team can protect 20 other players
3. No existing team can lose more than ONE player per round AND every existing team loses one player per round (16 picks per round, 4 picks per expansion team per round)
4. This is optional... all players aged 20 and under on January 1st 2017 are auto-protected so long as they don't have any ML service time

What this means is that IF every existing team protected 20 guys on their current 25 man ML roster there would be 80 current ML level guys available for drafting, that's equal to 20 players per expansion team, plus all of the AAA and AA guys not drafted in 2015 and 2016.

What will likely happen is that some teams will also choose to protect some guys drafted in 2013 and 2014 so more ML level talent will be available.

This does three things:
1. Gives existing teams a choice to protect youth, current talent or a mix
2. Ensures there is enough ML level talent available for the expansion teams to use as trade bait or to build with
3. Ensures those 21-25 year old guys yet to make it in the big leagues are given a shot with an expansion team - it would be good to see some of these guys grow and become stars, and it will happen

I highly recommend keeping the protection simple so that everyone understands it.

Edit: I just ran this approach on my organisation and there would be handfuls of 1.5 to 2.5* players available, some veterans but also some guys who are nearly ready for the Majors. Some real diamonds for the right expansion team GMs - I expect others would protect less on their current 25man roster than me as well.

count me in

[NorseKaiser]

If we keep it simple, it will likely work best.. check this concept out...

1. All players drafted in 2015 and 2016 amateur drafts are auto protected, UNLESS they have ML service time (then they have to be included in the protected 20 players in point 2)
2. Each existing team can protect 20 other players
3. No existing team can lose more than ONE player per round AND every existing team loses one player per round (16 picks per round, 4 picks per expansion team per round)
4. This is optional... all players aged 20 and under on January 1st 2017 are auto-protected so long as they don't have any ML service time

What this means is that IF every existing team protected 20 guys on their current 25 man ML roster there would be 80 current ML level guys available for drafting, that's equal to 20 players per expansion team, plus all of the AAA and AA guys not drafted in 2015 and 2016.

What will likely happen is that some teams will also choose to protect some guys drafted in 2013 and 2014 so more ML level talent will be available.

This does three things:
1. Gives existing teams a choice to protect youth, current talent or a mix
2. Ensures there is enough ML level talent available for the expansion teams to use as trade bait or to build with
3. Ensures those 21-25 year old guys yet to make it in the big leagues are given a shot with an expansion team - it would be good to see some of these guys grow and become stars, and it will happen

I highly recommend keeping the protection simple so that everyone understands it.

Edit: I just ran this approach on my organisation and there would be handfuls of 1.5 to 2.5* players available, some veterans but also some guys who are nearly ready for the Majors. Some real diamonds for the right expansion team GMs - I expect others would protect less on their current 25man roster than me as well.

Works for me!

[mstreeter06]

I have released the Expansion Draft and Protection List rules in the Expansion Draft Thread. The post is sticky'd and locked for a reason so we avoid the rules being lost in discussion and keep it up top. Any questions/discussions concerning the expansion process should be made here or in an email/PM to myself. Thanks!

[JKGuy16]

I have a few players who are listed as having 1 or 2 days of ML service.  Now there is no way they have ML service.  The only explanation I can come up with is that they were part of spring training.  This really shouldn't count as having ML service should it?  Just looking at their stats and they clearly haven't played a regular season game at the ML level. 

I'm just trying to clarify this situation.

[mikezone13]

I have a few players who are listed as having 1 or 2 days of ML service.  Now there is no way they have ML service.  The only explanation I can come up with is that they were part of spring training.  This really shouldn't count as having ML service should it?  Just looking at their stats and they clearly haven't played a regular season game at the ML level. 

I'm just trying to clarify this situation.

If they've been on your 25man roster they will be listed as having service time (i.e. they could've spent 1 day on your 25 man, not played any innings and then got demoted to the minors) - i.e. every day they were on your roster counts, not sure if ST time counts as ML service time in our league or not.

If it does prove to be an error I'm sure the protection rules can be changed to those "20y/o or under at Jan 1st 2017 with less than 10 days ML service time" or something like that.

[mstreeter06]

I'm all for that Mike. 10 days or less of ML service time would be fine with me.

I want as little confusion as possible. Thanks for noticing that detail Jason!

[mstreeter06]

Paul informed me that he doesn't have the time to properly commit to the expansion team and the league. I believe I have a replacement for the final expansion franchise. Stay tuned!

Georgia might be denied a team again. Lost the prospective owner for the inaugural season and possibly again here  .

[mstreeter06]

Virginia will be the final Expansion Team instead of Georgia. This will also not change our realignment and new division setups.

Everyone welcome Steve Waugh (Steve Wunda here on the forum) as our newest and final Expansion owner!

[claphamsa]

Virginia will be the final Expansion Team instead of Georgia. This will also not change our realignment and new division setups.

Everyone welcome Steve Waugh (Steve Wunda here on the forum) as our newest and final Expansion owner!

awww, a new minor league team! They can play in my Rookie ball stadium!

[mikezone13]

Virginia will be the final Expansion Team instead of Georgia. This will also not change our realignment and new division setups.

Everyone welcome Steve Waugh (Steve Wunda here on the forum) as our newest and final Expansion owner!

Not this Steve Waugh? Aussie cricket captain and star player.

[mstreeter06]

Virginia will be the final Expansion Team instead of Georgia. This will also not change our realignment and new division setups.

Everyone welcome Steve Waugh (Steve Wunda here on the forum) as our newest and final Expansion owner!

awww, a new minor league team! They can play in my Rookie ball stadium!

Oh snap