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Winter Meetings => Topics and Ideas Discussion => Topic started by: mstreeter06 on April 03, 2015, 05:31:00 pm
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I've been thinking about way to increase player movement to force teams to make a decision on AAAA guys and aging veterans.
What are your thoughts about enabling Minor League Option Years with the right to refuse a minor league assignment (or right to refuse disabled)?
I would be open to enabling it if enough are open to it.
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I'm not sure this will work with a no financial setup
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doesnt NPBL do it?
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doesnt NPBL do it?
Chappy thought about it but Yuda said it wouldn't work without finances
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Nothing will change from our current setup but I'll continue to research this to see if it will be feasible for our league in the future.
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Good idea
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Nothing will change from our current setup but I'll continue to research this to see if it will be feasible for our league in the future.
Did you come up with anything regarding this?
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I'm curious about what people think about this? I still need to test it out for our league setup since we don't have finances but it seems like a good way to encourage player movement with our AAAA type players and aging veterans.
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As you see above I'm for something like this.
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If it works in game, yes to this
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Colorado would also be in favor of this if it works for our league setup
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I would be open to this if it works in game other wise no, I would love to see more minor deals tho I like thoes but in this league nobody really does that
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I vote yes. Although I am one of the ones who is guilty of great AAAA players.
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As long as it is outlined exactly how it'll work, I'm fine with it. Yes.
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Yes I would like this
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Easiest way to do this is to put age limiters on each level. OOTP does this well now in that if AAA had an age limit of say 30 years, players can still play there beyond the age of 30, BUT as soon as they move to the main AFBL roster they cannot then be demoted to AAA.
So you then have to decide to either keep the vets at AFBL level and take a roster spot from someone else or release them.
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Easiest way to do this is to put age limiters on each level. OOTP does this well now in that if AAA had an age limit of say 30 years, players can still play there beyond the age of 30, BUT as soon as they move to the main AFBL roster they cannot then be demoted to AAA.
So you then have to decide to either keep the vets at AFBL level and take a roster spot from someone else or release them.
We already have a max age limit in our Rookie League and A-Ball but both are pretty high. I do like this idea.
Something like for max ages...?
AAA: 30
AA: 28
A: 26
RL: 24
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ya but then i wouldnt beable to keep my agings vets and I like having some olderguys play in AAA it would take away way to much of the depth with age 30 I would be losing 12 players right now about 6 I would use if injurys mostly pitchers I would like to see maybe age limits on other leagues but none on AAA but roster limit of 30 then IDK alot of my scrubs are 30+
I also would have at least 5 more players lost from AA I wouldnt really miss but it would bascily take a whole team away from me
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also wouldnt this effect Minor league Rehab?
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ya but then i wouldnt beable to keep my agings vets and I like having some olderguys play in AAA it would take away way to much of the depth with age 30 I would be losing 12 players right now about 6 I would use if injurys mostly pitchers I would like to see maybe age limits on other leagues but none on AAA but roster limit of 30 then IDK alot of my scrubs are 30+
I also would have at least 5 more players lost from AA I wouldnt really miss but it would bascily take a whole team away from me
You don't lose them, they can still play AAA, they just can't be demoted there after they've been promoted to the AFBL roster.
It was also just an example (the 30 year limit) it could be at any age really.
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If it works, yes.
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I tested this out in the NPBL and it didn't work, but that was in OOTP13 IIRC so it may work now.
I don't think the age limit thing would yield the same results, because if you ran it in that fashion, everyone over 30 would refuse their assignments, while the 'right to refuse' would leave the choice up to the player. That 35 year old outfielder that makes a great pinch runner (but sucks at everything else) during the expanded roster period in September would probably go back to AAA if he could, but with an age limit, you'd have to release him... and nobody would want him on their 25-man so he'd be stuck in the FA pool 'til he retires.
So, I'd probably vote against that rule at this point in time unless you guys can convince me otherwise.
One note; at the time we tried it out in the NPBL the FA pool had about a dozen players in it. That's not an issue in the AFBL (or NPBL for that matter) with the longer draft and other ways for players to enter the league (international FAs).
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Not a fan mainly because it'd take away the ability to promote a guy because of injury or in the expanded roster. You need some extra depth for injury situations. And if the age limit was 35 instead of 30 it almost defeats the desired purpose.
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Instead of age limits, can we do the six year thing like in the majors without financials? That would be more fair. If I call a guy up to pitch because of injury but then I have to release him because he can't go back to minors and it was the first time he'd been in majors in his career? That's not cool.
If it's based on age only, unless that 30 was changed to be higher, I vote no.
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Instead of age limits, can we do the six year thing like in the majors without financials?
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I don't think that feature works unless finances are turned on.
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Instead of age limits, can we do the six year thing like in the majors without financials?
I don't think that feature works unless finances are turned on.
I think this is the problem we will have for this feature to work how we would like it unfortunately.
I agree with the points about the age limit being an issue. I know I like having a few AAAA guys available who would be victim to an age limit.
My vote would be a yes but only if we can do a real minor league options setting but without financials which seems like it won't work.
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What are the current age limits on all the leagues? Does IC have an age limit?
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What are the current age limits on all the leagues? Does IC have an age limit?
Currently, we have an age limit only on Rookie League (26) and A League (30). The international complex will promote players to your Rookie League once they hit age 20, IIRC.
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Maybe we should shift the age limits a bit for now while you investigate the possibilities of this working the way we want it to.
AA (30)
A (28)
R (26)
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Maybe we should shift the age limits a bit for now while you investigate the possibilities of this working the way we want it to.
AA (30)
A (28)
R (26)
I aggre no Limit for AAA and people can always trade a bunch of scrubbs for scrub picks
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age limits make sense, i still don't get how option years are going to work. I don't think i can vote until I see a proposed rule description.
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I'm not sure if the 'minor league options' will work for a non-financial league but I'll do some testing when I get some time so this will be tabled indefinitely.
I am a fan of an age limit for the minors except for AAA.
What about...
Explorer League (AAA) - no age limit
Union League (AA) - 30
Confederation League (A) - 27
Liberty League (R) - 24
Currently is...
AAA - no limit
AA - no limit
A - 30
R - 26
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I'd be on board with those.
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That's a good way to do it, I forgot my own rules, we DON'T have an age limit in AAA (we have it in the levels below), but by having it in the levels below (and combined with roster limits) it means you have to think about the flow of talent and actually release players rather than hoard them. Which in turn at least helps distribute some players.
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I'd agree to those too
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those new ages 24,27,30 make lots of sense. I approve.
Does the player get released at that point, or will the owner be notified to promote?
26 in A makes just as much sense to me.
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those new ages 24,27,30 make lots of sense. I approve.
Does the player get released at that point, or will the owner be notified to promote?
26 in A makes just as much sense to me.
I can see roster violations. I believe the game won't let you demote/promote a player if they are above the age limit.
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I'm on board with this provided we pair it with enforced roster size limits. 30 players per level maybe?
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Are these definitely in effect for the upcoming season?
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Are these definitely in effect for the upcoming season?
Age limits will be in effect.
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those new ages 24,27,30 make lots of sense. I approve.
Does the player get released at that point, or will the owner be notified to promote?
26 in A makes just as much sense to me.
I believe they get auto promoted if they are above or getting to be above ages, I use Minor Mangers doing promotion so it doesn't matter
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those new ages 24,27,30 make lots of sense. I approve.
Does the player get released at that point, or will the owner be notified to promote?
26 in A makes just as much sense to me.
I believe they get auto promoted if they are above or getting to be above ages, I use Minor Mangers doing promotion so it doesn't matter
They don't get auto promoted (only auto promotion is from Intl compelx to Rookie league). Once a player reaches an age older than the age limit he can continue to play at that level, BUT once he's promoted he can't be brought back down to that level where he is too old to play.
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Just a heads up that the proposed age limits for AA, A, RL did go in effect for 2025. We won't mess with minor league option years.
Explorer League (AAA) - no age limit
Union League (AA) - 30
Confederation League (A) - 27
Liberty League (R) - 24