Expansion

[24Rocks]

well out of the last exapantion we lost now 3 of 4 owners right with VA being the only one left? I think we should give it till our next upgrade to expand, personaly i dont want a draft now as I have NO depth in my minors I say 2030 at earlyest but only if new owners are commited to staying

[mstreeter06]

We have typically been finishing a full AFBL season in roughly 10 real life weeks. My plan would be to upgrade to OOTP17 next year assuming OOTP continues their new release a year pattern. This would be close to lining up with 2030 for us (likely late 2028 or early 2029) when OOTP17 is released which would be my ideal time frame for expansion to get us to 24 franchises (my ideal number for the foreseeable future).

This will be an ongoing discussion over the 2024 season and beyond while the league and commish work on any potential expansion details.

[tjsmith7 GA]

I'm indifferent to expansion.  The last expansion didn't seem to go well for the expansion teams.  With no financials the player attrition rate is horribly in favor of the best teams.  Very low turnover.

[mstreeter06]

I want to continue this discussion about expansion. I would like to get to 24 teams at some point in the next 10 years. I think 2030 is a good target year for expansion since it would line up with OOTP17.

Any thoughts, opinions, suggestions on this for this Winter Meeting?

[mukerka]

Any thoughts, opinions, suggestions on this for this Winter Meeting?

Worst idea ever. After living an expansion on this league, I hate them. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring as hell and zero benefits imo

[Ohio GM]

No to expansion

[mstreeter06]

Colorado's vote would be yes to expansion for the 2030 season.

[Cannon Fodder06]

Voting no.

[24Rocks]

Yes but Not till we move to new viesion or have least 2 seasons of no new owners, It is hard expantion on current teams but if there was more depth player trades most people could regain that depth I have a shit ton that I could move.
With it taking a long time to bulid in this league because of no FA we need people who are going to stay around so if we do choose expantion try and bring owners in a year early to be apart of the league get them involved so we can find out if that want to stay.

[JKGuy16]

As always, 20 healthy owners over a set period of time is a must.  Any expansion needs to be more organized than the previous one was.  I think the rules need to be set at least two full seasons in advance and they have to be iron-clad, tight rules. No offense to you, Matt, but the last expansion didn't go over all the well in my opinion because of the lax rules.  I'll vote yes to expansion with stipulations.

[claphamsa]

i vote no on keeping to vote no on this.... no expansion, no annual no votes, just no no no no

[BaseballAddict32]

at the time, i would vote no to expansion but not sure about if i'd change on that down the road. i was kind of thinking yes but when i read above 3 of 4 left already it made me reconsider. i'd go no right now.

[mikezone13]

I'm a no to expansion, but also won't cry or leave if it gets in. The bit about 3 of the previous 4 expansion GMs having elft is also a pointer. But, if we maintain 18 of the same 20 GMs between now and the final deciding time for expansion I'd be OK with it, if planned correctly.

What I definitely don't want is expansion teams drafting in our rookie league before they're actually in the league.

[mstreeter06]

As always, 20 healthy owners over a set period of time is a must.  Any expansion needs to be more organized than the previous one was.  I think the rules need to be set at least two full seasons in advance and they have to be iron-clad, tight rules. No offense to you, Matt, but the last expansion didn't go over all the well in my opinion because of the lax rules.  I'll vote yes to expansion with stipulations.

No offense taken. I completely agree that any future expansion would need to be done much better.

It seems that expansion is not close and at least a decade away in the game if it happens at all.

[jdettbarn]

Going to say No on expansion.